Patience Item plebiscite (advisory vote)

[ching]

See the thread in
jedimud.proboards26.com/index.cgi?board=QuestBoard&action=display&thread=1205256573
And vote for which one you think should win.

[roykyn]

#1 - Okay I did create this quest however I am not voting for myself, I feel that it would be unfair to give myself a "free" vote.

With that being said: I think my quest involves quite a bit of work and is well worth the rewards, It tooke me much time and considerationg before I posted my story-line and items for this constructable quest, the only reason I think #1 Tops #4 is due to my inexperience as a player and the creativity I used to create such an item.

#2 - Interesting item idea, I like it alot but there is no story, sorry corwyn I can't give u my vote.

#3 - Awesome work elveron, I love your idea, However I do believe that the bardic colleges has more than enough stuff for itself and does not require any more additions(except maybe new neck items).

#4 - Great story, Great item, this one is getting my vote. (this one matches if not beating mine(#1).

#5 - Nice short story, unfortuenatly this was a quest to create and item called Patience, not Halo of endurance..

#6 - Nice Effort but I dont think it compares to mine/aneyou/Gamblers Story's

The Sum of it all:

I'm glad I could see as many submissions as I did, I checked the web board on almost a daily basis checking for the new ideas for the item. It was fun reading all the stories and comming up with one of my own. Thank you very much for the quest Ching, this is definatly one of the more unique and fun quests to participate in!!

[Maranta]

Most of the items are pretty interesting and some of the stories were very well written and quite entertaining. However for this contest my vote has to go to the Shroud.

Elveron: you might want to ask the author of the Bardic Extension before trying to add a quest element there. Not to mention there could very well be more items loading there or elsewhere in the world that people have been too lazy to find.

[gambler]

Ok, I assumed incorrectly that 'patience' inside of quotes means 'be creative in naming'. I changed the name slightly to satisfy technicalities for disqualification. My 2 cents:

1,4,5 have merit both in story line and item creation.

I wish Aneyou would have opened up the options a bit more on the item. Jedi certainly hasn't a need for a 6th +wis about (especially a heavily restricted one), nor the need for a 3rd mregen worn about. The combination of the two is cool, but who's really going to dump their Broach of Supremacy in leui of it?

We need stuff outside of the box! Lets push our coder to the limit and see what he can come up with.

Gambler.

[Tarbal]

there is a coder???

[Aneyou]

I dont care what the stats are. I'd honeslty just like Asmodeus to load something more since getting to him is a meanie and he's hardly ever run other than when he loads on a crash.

btw, if anyone cares, I got the idea for the conversation in the story from a book by C.S. Lewis called "The Screwtape Letters"

[ching]

aneyou said:

I dont care what the stats are. I'd honeslty just like Asmodeus to load something more since getting to him is a meanie and he's hardly ever run other than when he loads on a crash.

btw, if anyone cares, I got the idea for the conversation in the story from a book by C.S. Lewis called "The Screwtape Letters"

I really loved that book when I read it. He has a lot of great books. I also was thinking of having 'fun' with Asmodeas if this item is picked also. I am a big fan of the "load on death" proc, and this item would be a perfect thing for that.

[Tam]

maranta said:

Elveron: you might want to ask the author of the Bardic Extension before trying to add a quest element there. Not to mention there could very well be more items loading there or elsewhere in the world that people have been too lazy to find.

Actually the only people he needs to ask are the admin. New areas submitted to Jedimud become the property of Jedimud upon submission. If Jedimud chooses to extend some courtesy to zone-writers regarding recommendations/suggestions, that is their right but not their obligation.

With regard to the important topic.. the objects at hand..

For me, 3 objects stood out (though one other amused me greatly). Unfortunately one of those 3 objects had a piece added that seemed to be more about power-gaming than for pleasing the idea behind the object or even the project. So... I narrowed it down to 2. Those 2 were Roykyn's and Aneyou's.

Roykyn's object demonstrates the idea that patience is something that's gathered. It's not something you just plop down and have. You seek it out, only receiving pieces of the puzzle along the way. Eventually, those pieces add up and one comes to an understanding. When that point is reached, a new level of patience is earned. Then, just as quickly as it's earned, the next level begins. The beauty of patience is that you can never have enough of it. It just keeps building and building, level by level, part by part. The more patient you are, the more patient you may become.

Aneyou's object demonstrates that patience is best served in small bites. Each step of the way a person accepts and digests one small piece of patience. Maybe they wait 1 minute longer for a phone call. Maybe they let 1 more person out onto the highway. With each of these small bites, a person has the opportunity to learn and ponder. Through this process they not only gain the calmness afforded by patience itself but they gain additional opportunities to gather knowledge.

In the long run, patience affords a person certain benefits, as both of these objects exhibit. Knowledge, calmness and foresight can all translate into things like wisdom and regen (ie: regenning personal energy). Patience is never a "brute force" type of method. It is never a cut corner or a quick fix. It is thoughtful, calculating and smooth. It allows a person to calmly stream along, accomplish their goal and move on to the next.

On the mud, patience can always be easily seen. Does a player run in brief or do they sometimes stop to read the descriptions? Does a player find mobs to kill or will they kill their own pets because it's faster? Does a player alias whever they go or do they take the time to type more? Does a player play as a warrior through all 7 remorts or do they run as a cleric to make quicker leveling time? Do they read posts all the way through or do they skim them?

Yes, taking the shortcuts might allow a person to achieve more physical or semi-physical improvements in a shorter time but taking the longer route a person might be blessed with something much more vast. Should someone take a job where they work for 30 days, getting paid $100,000 per day or should they take a job where they're paid a penny for the first day and the wage doubles each day for 30 days? Have some patience and take the time to figure that one out.

Wondering which item I voted for? I didn't vote yet. I plan to patiently wait a while, mill it over, then decide.


-Tam

[relantel]

wow, Tam, nice post.

(Though I have found - sometime patient exploration can get one killed, where an alias would have had the chance to get through the aggr room unscathed... storal of the morey is a high jedi with calm - ineffective on some mobs - is not as good to explore with as a high pal with PFE.... oh, and learning how to flee sooner would have helped too. As it is, I only use aliases small sections, mostly from Fred to Sanc or Skara, and much more minor ones to get into the abyss and avoid an accidental double-enter after the Balor and hitting that DT, where E*D*D would hit it, E*D*SW avoids it)

[Tam]

relantel said:

accidental double-enter after the Balor and hitting that DT, where E*D*D would hit it, E*D*SW avoids it)

Ew.. though I have to admit that the worst I'd heard of is someone not turning off speedwalk before they typed "news". Oops. north, east, west, south.. dt. though I dont recall which it was.


Oh, back on topic though... here's a killer snippit that sort of applies to the whole patience topic that I thought was interesting. Thanks Gut for the link.

It is said – by those too numerous to list – that it is the journey and not the destination that is the focus. As such, it must be understood that a true martial artist, and especially an internal martial artist, is a practitioner for life. It is not something where a person attains a black sash and is "done." As Bruce Lee said somewhat jokingly, "Belts are for holding your pants up."

[relantel]

tam said:

relantel said:

accidental double-enter after the Balor and hitting that DT, where E*D*D would hit it, E*D*SW avoids it)

Ew.. though I have to admit that the worst I'd heard of is someone not turning off speedwalk before they typed "news". Oops. north, east, west, south.. dt. though I dont recall which it was.

I've not actually hit that one yet - but set aliases to make sure I don't. I've only ever hit two, both on the same char, a couple years apart. Both were more disorientation than rushing - mistook a bridge room in the abyss for the top of a spiral staircase after a fight (now, I won't fight in those rooms), and the other I wasn't paying well enough attention in exploring Valhalla. And I only use in-game aliases for these things. (The group helping-out to re-equip after hitting those exemplifies the good atmosphere at Jedi)

Not that this has anything to do with the topic at hand. I struggled in deciding which one to vote for - I wanted to vote for all of the above but I realized that was an option as I had just clicked to vote on one. The best ideas I could come up with had more to do with "faith" than "patience", and as such I didn't submit them.

[roykyn]

took the time to figure out the math,

30 days, 100k per day = 3,000,000

30 Days, 1st day 1 penny with wage doubling each day= 10,737,418.23

Although going into this I had assumed the penny a day with wages doubling would take the win, I suppose I was right.

Anyway took me a little over an hour to figure out your little riddle. (Yes I wrote it all out on paper)

And btw Tam, you amazingly captured my picture perfectly!!

[relantel]

roykyn said:

took the time to figure out the math,

30 days, 100k per day = 3,000,000

30 Days, 1st day 1 penny with wage doubling each day= 10,737,418.23

Although going into this I had assumed the penny a day with wages doubling would take the win, I suppose I was right.

Anyway took me a little over an hour to figure out your little riddle. (Yes I wrote it all out on paper)

And btw Tam, you amazingly captured my picture perfectly!!

2^29*.01 to get $, where 1 penny is 2^0, so it's only 5368709.12, still greater than 3M. (Excel is your friend... calcs quickly

[Tam]

relantel said:

roykyn said:

took the time to figure out the math,

30 days, 100k per day = 3,000,000

30 Days, 1st day 1 penny with wage doubling each day= 10,737,418.23

Although going into this I had assumed the penny a day with wages doubling would take the win, I suppose I was right.

Anyway took me a little over an hour to figure out your little riddle. (Yes I wrote it all out on paper)

And btw Tam, you amazingly captured my picture perfectly!!

2^29*.01 to get $, where 1 penny is 2^0, so it's only 5368709.12, still greater than 3M. (Excel is your friend... calcs quickly

Actually... you figured out the wage on the last day, not what you were paid for the month. Roykyn had it right at 10m for the month. Here is the wage per day with a sum at the end:

0.01
0.02
0.04
0.08
0.16
0.32
0.64
1.28
2.56
5.12
10.24
20.48
40.96
81.92
163.84
327.68
655.36
1310.72
2621.44
5242.88
10485.76
20971.52
41943.04
83886.08
167772.16
335544.32
671088.64
1342177.28
2684354.56
5368709.12

"$10,737,418.23"

Smile, binary loves you > hehe.

[relantel]

Tam, you got me there. I didn't do the sum as much as calc 2^29

With that scale, at that rate, the 48th day is almost as much as the entire US budget for one year, at 2.814 trillion. (2814749767106.55)

[antrus]

I'd take the 100,000 bucks a day. Cash is easy to handle, what the bloody hell am I going to do with 10 million dollars in pennies!

[Tam]

antrus said:

I'd take the 100,000 bucks a day. Cash is easy to handle, what the bloody hell am I going to do with 10 million dollars in pennies!

Tsk tsk tsk, patience! You would have to wrap them all into 1 dollar rolls, number each roll to assure their accuracy, then take them to the local bank via horse and buggy.

Or..... you could load them all into a plane, drop them out from about 5000 feet over the pacific and watch for a really neat splash!

[antrus]

tam said:

antrus said:

I'd take the 100,000 bucks a day. Cash is easy to handle, what the bloody hell am I going to do with 10 million dollars in pennies!

Tsk tsk tsk, patience! You would have to wrap them all into 1 dollar rolls, number each roll to assure their accuracy, then take them to the local bank via horse and buggy.

Or..... you could load them all into a plane, drop them out from about 5000 feet over the pacific and watch for a really neat splash!

or i could take my 3,000,000 in well organized loot and hire someone to kill you and wrap the pennies for me!
I win! 13,000,000(minus assassination and coin wrapping fees)

[ching]

Shroud of patience won.
It will be implemented as a "worn" +2wis,+5%mana regen, as described. ;D
I will be talking to Aneyou about his win.
Thank you for playing all the rest, it was a good quest (some very intresting items and story lines.)